http://www.osmond-riba.org/lis/journal/llinfo.htm On August 18, 2003, the Justice Department launched <A HREF="http://www.lifeandliberty.gov/">www.lifeandliberty.gov</A>, a new website for their pro-PATRIOT Act Propaganda. In response, Lis Riba registered www.lifeandliberty.info, for combatting their false claims. This weblog is for discussion by anybody involved in planning that site. 2003-11-09T20:21:27Z en-US http://www.osmond-riba.org/lis/journal/2003_11_01_LL.html#106840928770041677 I regret that I am finding that I, too, cannot find the time and energy to lead this project at this time. I'm falling behind on tasks at both work and home I and think I need to refocus my energy accordingly. <br /><br />I read the analysis that Rich posted last month and I think it makes our points fairly well in an abbreviated form. <br /><br />Lis, perhaps the thing to do is make a more public announcement (say through LIS News, librarian.net, Library Juice, and perhaps by direct e-mails to ACLU, CDT, and EFF) that the LL.info domain is available and transfer it someone who seems willing and able to take it forward. Preferably someone already currently outspoken against the PATRIOT Act so we don't get a site like LL.com. This is just a suggestion. You bought the domain, you should have final say about what's done with it.<br /><br />We might also consider publicizing this blog. Although it's not the organized site that we'd like, I think the three of us have posted some valid criticisms and good stories on what's wrong with the Act.<br /><br />Again, I'm sorry that I've proved to be a disappointment. - Daniel Daniel Cornwall 2003-11-09T20:21:27Z
I read the analysis that Rich posted last month and I think it makes our points fairly well in an abbreviated form.

Lis, perhaps the thing to do is make a more public announcement (say through LIS News, librarian.net, Library Juice, and perhaps by direct e-mails to ACLU, CDT, and EFF) that the LL.info domain is available and transfer it someone who seems willing and able to take it forward. Preferably someone already currently outspoken against the PATRIOT Act so we don't get a site like LL.com. This is just a suggestion. You bought the domain, you should have final say about what's done with it.

We might also consider publicizing this blog. Although it's not the organized site that we'd like, I think the three of us have posted some valid criticisms and good stories on what's wrong with the Act.

Again, I'm sorry that I've proved to be a disappointment. - Daniel]]> http://www.osmond-riba.org/lis/journal/2003_10_01_LL.html#106738907620667429 Folks, The Center for Democracy and Technology has<br />released a report on the DOJ lifeandliberty web site called<br />Setting the record straight: an analysis of the Justice Department's Patriot Act website<br />http://www.cdt.org/security/usapatriot/031027cdt.shtml<br />They also released a brochure called What's wrong with the Patriot Act and how to fix it<br />http://www.cdt.org/security/usapatriot/brochure.pdf Rich Allen 2003-10-29T00:57:56Z released a report on the DOJ lifeandliberty web site called
Setting the record straight: an analysis of the Justice Department's Patriot Act website
http://www.cdt.org/security/usapatriot/031027cdt.shtml
They also released a brochure called What's wrong with the Patriot Act and how to fix it
http://www.cdt.org/security/usapatriot/brochure.pdf]]> http://www.osmond-riba.org/lis/journal/2003_10_01_LL.html#106619388635746421 Dear Lis and anyone else within sight of this message. I haven't been able to get pages together before my conference followed by vacation. I won't be able to have anything ready before the first week of November.<br /><br />IF ANYONE ELSE wants to put up something before then - DO SO. I will provide content support when I return. If not, I should have pages available for loading onto lifeandliberty.info by the end of the first week of November.<br /><br />- Daniel Daniel Cornwall 2003-10-15T04:58:06Z
IF ANYONE ELSE wants to put up something before then - DO SO. I will provide content support when I return. If not, I should have pages available for loading onto lifeandliberty.info by the end of the first week of November.

- Daniel]]> http://www.osmond-riba.org/lis/journal/2003_10_01_LL.html#106580167871031809 This journal may be inaccessible over the weekend as I move hosts again.<br />The good news is that if this works, I may be able to set up a host site for lifeandliberty.info in the following weeks if you (Daniel) want to get content ready. Elisabeth Riba 2003-10-10T16:01:18Z The good news is that if this works, I may be able to set up a host site for lifeandliberty.info in the following weeks if you (Daniel) want to get content ready.]]> http://www.osmond-riba.org/lis/journal/2003_09_01_LL.html#106495591713470930 I'm really impressed with what everybody else here has managed to accomplish. <br />Unfortunately, I have to acknowledge that I simply don't have the energy to devote to this project. <br />I started this whole thing and own the domain, but have neither time to contribute content nor a place to host it. <br /><br />I'm really sorry if I'm letting folks down.<br /><strong><FONT COLOR="#FF0000">I would like to offer management of the lifeandliberty.info domain to somebody who can give it the care and attention it deserves</font></strong>. <br />I will keep this discussion board running as long as people are interested in using it, and maybe by the end of the month, I might have a hosting site if there is content to post, but I don't want to make any guarantees I can't live up to. <br /><br />I think we've got a good thing going here, in spite of my shameful neglect. I'm hoping somebody here will be willing to take over leadership of the project.<br /><br />Any volunteers? Elisabeth Riba 2003-09-30T21:05:17Z Unfortunately, I have to acknowledge that I simply don't have the energy to devote to this project.
I started this whole thing and own the domain, but have neither time to contribute content nor a place to host it.

I'm really sorry if I'm letting folks down.
I would like to offer management of the lifeandliberty.info domain to somebody who can give it the care and attention it deserves.
I will keep this discussion board running as long as people are interested in using it, and maybe by the end of the month, I might have a hosting site if there is content to post, but I don't want to make any guarantees I can't live up to.

I think we've got a good thing going here, in spite of my shameful neglect. I'm hoping somebody here will be willing to take over leadership of the project.

Any volunteers?]]> http://www.osmond-riba.org/lis/journal/2003_09_01_LL.html#106458869637250325 Congressman Dennis Kucinich has introduced the Benjamin<br />Frnaklin True Patriot Act HR 3171 http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c108:H.R.3171: which will repeal sections of<br />the Patriot Act among other things<br />You can contact Congress at http://www.visi.com/juan/congress/ Rich Allen 2003-09-26T15:04:56Z Frnaklin True Patriot Act HR 3171 http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c108:H.R.3171: which will repeal sections of
the Patriot Act among other things
You can contact Congress at http://www.visi.com/juan/congress/]]> http://www.osmond-riba.org/lis/journal/2003_09_01_LL.html#106429083039310374 Apologies if you've seen this already and for posting again so soon, but this series opener from the Sacramento Bee contains this wonder Congressional quote:<br /><br />------------<br />In fact, it was almost impossible, because many in Congress knew little or nothing about what was actually in the bill.<br /><br />"The final version of the Patriot Act that was passed into law was rewritten between midnight and 8 o'clock in the morning behind closed doors by a few unknown people, and it was presented to Congress for a one-hour debate and an up or down vote," U.S. Rep. Peter DeFazio, D-Ore., said in a telephone interview from his Oregon office. "It was hundreds of pages long, and no member of Congress can tell you they knew what they were voting for in its entirety.<br /><br />"It was time to be stampeded, and who wanted to be against the USA Patriot Act at a time like that?"<br /><br />As it turns out, there weren't many politicians willing to face voters in the next election and explain why they voted against patriotism. Only one senator -- Democrat Russ Feingold of Wisconsin -- and 66 House members, including DeFazio, voted against it.<br /><br />-------------------------------------------<br /><br /> Daniel Cornwall 2003-09-23T04:20:30Z
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In fact, it was almost impossible, because many in Congress knew little or nothing about what was actually in the bill.

"The final version of the Patriot Act that was passed into law was rewritten between midnight and 8 o'clock in the morning behind closed doors by a few unknown people, and it was presented to Congress for a one-hour debate and an up or down vote," U.S. Rep. Peter DeFazio, D-Ore., said in a telephone interview from his Oregon office. "It was hundreds of pages long, and no member of Congress can tell you they knew what they were voting for in its entirety.

"It was time to be stampeded, and who wanted to be against the USA Patriot Act at a time like that?"

As it turns out, there weren't many politicians willing to face voters in the next election and explain why they voted against patriotism. Only one senator -- Democrat Russ Feingold of Wisconsin -- and 66 House members, including DeFazio, voted against it.

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